Chevette Register

[Ashley]

Just been on the KaddetC forum and noticed that they have a Register section, where owners can register there cars information. 

Just wondering is it possible for us to set something similar up, and try and keep a track of what Chevettes & Chevannes are left on the roads and condition they are in and there location. 

If we had it as open content then members and non member would be able to register there cars information, and also any other chevette they discover which they dont own ie has been found in a barn after 20 odd years etc. 

Maybe even extend it as far as Chevettes we scrap or find in scrapyards, just so we can keep a track of cars 

Maybe open content wouldnt be suitable for information such as Reg no and Vin no's....but im sure there would be someway round it

Anybody have any thoughts on this?

[Mad Max the Road Warrior!]

That's not a bad idea Ashley, it would never be complete as some people have an issue posting vehicle details on the net (as well as those with no access to the net), added to the fact that there are a hell of a lot on the Chevettes.com, DSG, Totalopel, VODC, MIG, VXON etc that you never see on here. The other complication is the sheer number of the cars that were built for the UK and other markets, as well as the fact that there are numerous cars in Northern Ireland that are not listed with either the DVLA or DVLNI and hence are in limbo . . . .  but as a starting point and if we're not looking to create a definative listing it would be a good idea. I'd suggest five headings i.e. 2 door saloon, 4 door saloon, hatch, estate and Chevanne, and then split it by the model variants in each section i.e. 3 door hatch E, ES, L, GL, GLS, HS, HSR AND Special Editions to cover things like Sun Hatch, Silhouette, Black Pearl and other dealer specials. and a motorsport section for rally/track and race cars.  I'd stick my hand up for helping to set it up if people think its a good idea and John needs a hand.

Cheers Mal

[Jordan]

I like the idea  I would also help moderate if needed  im sure a man of Johns wizardry wont need help setting up the register section we could just add another discussion section in the forum 

[Ashley]

I was thinking of making just UK and Ireland. As, like you say trying to trace all cars would be impossible.  As regarding all the cars on other forums and clubs, perhaps if we just put a post on there sites for them to provide info, and people who dont internet access in the club just do a mail drop and get them to phone or write back with their info.

Initially may be woth contacting cclassic car mags and papers for them to ut an article in them   After a few people start providing info, then maybe word of mouth will help it to grow and expand.

As regarding making it, would an adobe pdf file be best, which one or 2 people have access to for adding and changing details, that way information cant be tamperred with. 

I will be more than happy to devote time to this project....seems as it was my idea

[John Delahaye]

Tis a good idea. Will a section on the forum suffice? What's the set up on the Opel site?

[Jordan]

I dont think PDF is the way forward, if we lock the section off to one person so only they can edit it, I can see that working well split into the four types of chevette 

[Ashley]

What's the set up on the Opel site?

http://www.opel-kadett-c.co.uk/forum/viewforum.php?f=6&sid=697ef5e2ee82e0808f19224b19f1915b

Thats a link to the Opel one John

Will a section on the forum suffice?

If we go down this route, is it posible to make some information avaialbe to all, and other more personel or confidential info only available to members of the clubs (as is the case with user profiles) as if we do it this way perhaps it could be used as a selling point for the joinging the club

split into the four types of chevette 

Could we then make it that each car then has its own topic, unlike the Opel one where they are all added to the same topic, or would use up too much webspace 

[Jordan]

thats what I mean Ash, split it into Hatchbacks (including HS/R) 2 Door Saloon 4 Door Saloon and Estate/Vanne  shouldnt take too much space should it John??

[Mad Max the Road Warrior!]

The DSG Registers operate in a similar way and are split by model i.e. Firenza, HS/HSR, Competition Cars etc etc but are only openly viewable by members, which I believe in terms of confidentiality and data protection we would need to operate the same way, the chassis numbers shown only list the first few letters which indicate model type and I would suggest the same would need to be true of ours for security purposes. As previously stated given that I'm on here pretty much every day a few times a day I'm happy to lend a hand. It may be that we have a running total for each variant running in the general area but with no other data behind it, which means essentially its an indicator how many cars/vans we are aware of and thats about it.

[Ashley]

Just looking at the site member stats we have 238 members, now not every member owns a Chevette and some own more than one, but there still has to be around 230 chevettes now known to the club i would have thought.  T

hen add on cog members who aren't on here that must take the number up to around mid 240's.  Obviously there is there is other Chevette club which has X amount of chevettes, along with other forums.  Then there are owners who are on no sites, which i have spoke to a few 

My rough guess would be 350 Chevettes still out there.  Now we just need to set up the Register and find out how close my guess is

Also regarding the register, just had another thought.  If we do a word document with all the relevant headings on it and print it out, that way when we go to shows we can hand them out to Chevettes owners (most likely be the ones who are on no sites).  That way we would be able to make the register more consice.

Can I be made Register Collaborator now lol

[Ashley]

The DSG Registers operate in a similar way and are split by model i.e. Firenza, HS/HSR, Competition Cars etc etc but are only openly viewable by members, which I believe in terms of confidentiality and data protection we would need to operate the same way, the chassis numbers shown only list the first few letters which indicate model type and I would suggest the same would need to be true of ours for security purposes. As previously stated given that I'm on here pretty much every day a few times a day I'm happy to lend a hand. It may be that we have a running total for each variant running in the general area but with no other data behind it, which means essentially its an indicator how many cars/vans we are aware of and thats about it.

My only concern is that if we make it make to private people wont provide information, however if we make it too open then its a security issue and people still wont provide information...the joys of the World Wide Web 

I suppose we could ask them to supply information on; x,y and z however only make certain parts compulsary if they are concerned about secrurity.
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Info required for register:

Owners Name:
Location:
Car Type:
Reg No:
Year:
Mileage:
No. of Owners:
Chasis/Vin:
Engine size:
Modified/Standard:
Modificatons:
Additional Comments:


Anything else you think we should add guys?

[Mad Max the Road Warrior!]

Just looking at the site member stats we have 238 members, now not every member owns a Chevette and some own more than one, but there still has to be around 230 chevettes now known to the club i would have thought.  T

hen add on cog members who aren't on here that must take the number up to around mid 240's.  Obviously there is there is other Chevette club which has X amount of chevettes, along with other forums.  Then there are owners who are on no sites, which i have spoke to a few 

My rough guess would be 350 Chevettes still out there.  Now we just need to set up the Register and find out how close my guess is

Oh Contraire Ashley . . . .  incidentally did you mean co-ordinator or collaborator 
According to the DSG Site they have 283 HS's listed, 32 HSR's, 55 Chevette Competiton Cars and 13 modded/replica cars, even if you assume that the 55 Competition cars are replicated in the other lists (and not all of them are) so lets knock 40 off the total that makes 333 plus ours, and bearing in mind there are a few collectors among us (me 3 ken 4 Jeremy 7 Ians mate with the estates has about 6 etc etc) I would guess that puts the number at circa 700 . . .  plus the ones off the other forums etc and the everyday ones you see knocking about that are not on the net etc. I would guess the current total is more like 1100 . . . . . I currently know of 5 cars lounging in garages where they've been for years plus other lost causes like Vics fleet of estates as well as the regular 4 or 5 on ebay that are unknown until they appear. I'm not suggesting we replicate the HS's etc that are on the DSG site as that would be pointless, and I think you've had a cracking idea Ashley in terms of trying to gain a measure in terms of the standard cars out there, if nothing else its bound to bring some cars out of the woodwork and it will be a good talking point 

[Ashley]

co-ordinator or collaborator....either will surfice.

I agree it would be pointless to add the HS's on the DSG's register to ours. That said, i didnt know they had that many registered  ......now why dont all there members join our club too, that would boost numbers 

[Mad Max the Road Warrior!]

co-ordinator or collaborator....either will surfice.

I agree it would be pointless to add the HS's on the DSG's register to ours. That said, i didnt know they had that many registered  ......now why dont all there members join our club too, that would boost numbers 

For homologation purposes for rallying back in the day a manufacturer had to build 400 road cars, so in theory there was 400 HS's built, the homologation special built at the end of the run was the HSR and there were supposed to be 50 built. But due to some skullduggery by vauxhall back in the day (which was common practice - clearly different Escorts were photographed with the same reg numbers . . .) tha definative amount of either built is unknown as the 400 cars built or in build were not all HS's, so the guestimate is that around 360 HS's were actually built, and a number of those that were unsold were converted to HSR's by Bill Blydenstein, the guestimate on genuine HSR's is actually about 36 cars. All HSR's state HS as the model on the V5 and evidently there are many copies around (mine included), some of which have a genuine kit (as per mine) and/or the genuine twin-cam motor. I've also seen a couple over the years running Lotus twin-cam engines. This is the reason why the DSG have the registers and also have an authentication scheme to confirm genuine cars. The DSG is THE specialist club for HS/HSR and Droop Snoots and offer members a superb parts scheme plus other benefits, and whilst everyone I have met off there has been superb it can be a little eliteist and clicque at times, but that's no different from a lot of forums. Whilst it would be nice to gain a few hundred members (and I know it was typed in jest) the reality is the HS and HSR has some pretty unique features so If they joined it would be to canibalise our wings/doors/hatches     . . . .  but they again . . . . one of the members of the Cavette club has a HSR so anything is possible    Anyway . . .  anorak moment over 

[rdb1]

Has any thing happened with the register, or has it died a death , for info from previous comments, I am also a member of DSG & they carried out a DVLA survey of all their models in March 2008, Firenzas, Magnums & Chevettes, the numbers then were then as follows, HS/HSR 96 known, (41 on the road, 55 SORN), but unknow ones, off the road before SORN came in still keep cropping up on ebay etc. with regard to the 1256 which most of us have in one form or another, the DVLA could not be split in to models of hatch, salloon or estate, but only into trim level, the following numbers show totals (on the road / SORN) as follows GLS 43 (16/27), GL 191 (87/104), L 1323 (537/786), ES 130 (46/84), E 79 (35/44), Basic 28 (13/15), so there are at least 700 on the road  but again a GL which has been converted into a HS rep or is being rallied with an engine convertion still shows up as a GL & specials such as Black Watch ect only show as the original car, ie ES, E or L, so it is difficult to know what is what and again cars off road pre SORN do not appear on this list either, (a couple of which I have ) so there are quite a few others still to be uncovered, meaning there is quite a lot of untaped potential members out there & perhaps a good reason to have our own register.